And this is the first conversation. We will have a series of conversations with you. Okay? Inshallah. Inshallah, Inshallah. Arif sir is giving this matter a lot of importance. Arif sir is giving it a lot of importance, you understand? For this reason, we actually want this conversation to start. Yes? And for this reason, seven of our people are waiting. You will start. Yes, and we have spoken with many people already. If you would kindly tell me your name. My name is Jakawat Uddin Ahmed. It starts with a Z, right? Yes, yes, yes. Okay, wait. Jakawat Uddin Ahmed.

I think your name was missing before. Actually, what it is, I myself am not a traditional employee. Not a so-called employee. Because I am an external employee of Nipro JMI Pharma. Okay. I actually work here as an in-between for Monon Soft, then Nipro JMI Pharma, or UNIDO, for all of them. Yes? Okay. So, spell your name, please tell me the spelling. Z-A-K-A W-A-T-H. Jakawat. Uddin, U-D-D-I-N. Uddin. Ahmed, A-H-M-E-D. Okay, Jakawat Uddin Ahmed. Okay. I am creating the sheet.

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What is your role? My designation here is Data Analyst. And my scope of work is different. When I joined here, I joined for three months. That was for master data collection, yes. To collect the master data for Nipro JMI Pharma. Yes. Because pharmaceutical data is not usual data. Yes. Because for a single procurement, you have a certificate of analysis, analytical report sheet, yes. Its measurement, measuring layering is different. Supplier, manufacturer, I mean, then the second manufacturer, product, finished goods manufacturer, everyone's analysis is different. Yes. But there is a base. There has to be similarity. These coordinations or understandings, or the main thing is, I consider a software to be like an engine. And to run it, the master data that is needed, that master data works a lot like a wheel. Or it works as a road, works as a path. Your engine has to run, right? That is the work I have mainly done. Okay, how do you... collect the data, or how do you implement it? The thing is, the program analysts or managers who were here, they had already prepared the tables. Yes, yes. The forms, the tables, they had prepared the scripts. Yes. So, the development of this script, or making it compatible with the institution's needs, and according to the table or needs, the master data that was required to run it, yes, those things. My part was, if you think about it, the main thing was the coordination between the two parties, coordination. Work is never difficult. I never consider work to be difficult. Not just me, no one should think so. What is difficult are the people.

No, I am asking you the question, how do you collect the data? You... it's related. For me, for example, first comes, like I told you about a product. For a product, there's the analysis part, if you want to do analysis or make finished goods, the raw materials I need... Hello? I'm here, I'm here. I just turned it off. My ear was feeling a bit uneasy. That's why my ear was itching. That's why I... Okay, okay. Yes. Okay. For example, my QC, Quality Control, General QC, Quality Control department, yes, or what do you call it, my Microbiology department, or my Compliance, these segments, these departments, the work that these divisions will do, yes, their involvement with my product, from the start to the finish of a finished good, wherever their involvement lies, for example, a BOM is being created for me. Yes? In this pharma of ours, I have 248 master products. Yes. Here I have 864 finished goods. Yes. Here, think about one thing. My master products are 248, my finished goods are 864. So, the difference here is almost 616. Yes. The mapping of these 616 master products is changing, it changes when it gets to semi-finished goods. Now, let's come to this. That means my variation is high. My demand is high. My raw material has come, my QC is happening, GQC is happening, microbiology is happening, now my molecular biology is happening. These layerings, the QCs, everyone's demand or quality checking is also different. Yes. This checking, what will it be? What will be the specification? What is the demand? Let's take a simple matter. Let's take one of my packing materials. I have a, what do you call it, an inner carton. Suppose an inner carton has 24 specifications. Okay. This specification, this is again they have, what do you call it, an international GMP guideline. There is an ISO guideline. Then again, for their internal one, there is also a, what do you call it, a matter of certification. Yes. That means, with the coordination of three, that specification of mine, the form, the appendix, I, what do you call it, align it collecting those numbers of theirs, setting the specifications in the proper place, training them up, and understanding the work from them. Firstly, the work, what I am doing is, I am understanding it from my program manager. After understanding, I am going to them, taking things from them. I am doing the work myself, I am getting the work done by him, and I am implementing the work. If you ask me, in terms of implementation, I you are implementing from the ERP, right? You are implementing Jarp. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay, that's fine. We will have more continuous conversations, more in-depth. So, we... who do you report to? Now let's come to me, reporting. I report to all the managers here, be it the sales module, material management, FICO, or in the future, very shortly, HRM is coming, Inshallah. HRM, I actually report to everyone. I report to Arif sir, I... Russell Ibne Bhashan. Since I am not a traditional employee Okay. That means CTO, all other PM and IT Manager? IT Manager, yes. Okay. Our date today is the 6th. 12/25. You in this role, just say for Monon Soft or JMI, how many years have you been there? I have been here for two years. Two years. Two years ago, did someone else do this job? Did you replace anyone? No, no, no, no. As I said, they have created Jarp. They have created the ERP, yes. But, you know, I was the one who created the wheel to run it. Okay. You did that. That means for all the departments of JMI, Nipro JMI or JMI's departments, and those who have interconnectivity with Jarp, you have collected data from every stakeholder and incorporated it with the developer. Yes, yes, yes. Okay, that is your job. Okay. Okay, we will now talk about some technical skills and some behavioral skills. Although, in your case, the whole thing might not be relevant. Okay? But why won't it be relevant? Because your job is different. That's why it won't be relevant. So, but we will just ask the questions here. And if I can find relevancy from the things you've said, after this, I will sit with you again. Inshallah, inshallah. Okay? So for technical skills, we will rate between 1 to 5. 1 is starting and 5 is expert. Okay. And we will talk about behavioral skills. Then we will talk about career development opportunities. Since we will nurture the team in the future, plus we will think about training and other things. So, who we will train and how, or how he will become more productive, our specific main goal is to reduce running costs so that, plus, the productivity of the employees is increased. Because if employee productivity doesn't increase, running costs won't decrease. Okay? So, we will do that. So, in terms of skills, from your past experience or your education line, did you study in the software engineering line or some other line? I studied in the general line. I... my subject was management. Okay, you have studied management. Then let me tell you the definition of management. Getting things, getting things done through other people and resources, I know how to. Okay, that's good. So, in this case, since you are now included in a software development project, okay? In that case, do you have any idea about back-end or front-end development? It would be wrong to say I have none. I do have a basic idea, although we are traditional. Very old-fashioned people. I was actually... before this, I was in the banking sector for 15 years. Okay. And there, the first ICT audit happened under my supervision. First thing. And the software implementation that happened there, it first happened in the local office, the biggest branch. I was also the main coordinator for that. Okay. No, that's what I'm saying. Before that, let me say another thing, another thing. That is, before this, I worked as an IT-enabled service manager. There I had 18 franchises, and I was in total charge of it. Total coordination, managing, explaining the work to them, understanding the work, billing, everything was done by me. Okay. Okay. Now okay, that's fine. These questions, I think, are not very relevant to you. But still, if I ask you to rate yourself, in terms of understanding front-end or back-end development, not in terms of development, since you work with these things, in terms of understanding, how much would you rate yourself? Actually, for Jarp, I will say five. Okay. If it's not Jarp? If it's not Jarp, I will understand according to that. Since here, the languages or who has what role or who plays it how, I know. Yes. I haven't really gone outside of that now. It's difficult to say because we don't lack languages. Yes, yes, that's true. You don't work with language, in fact. You work with data, with this. No, no, no. Here, for example, I know who is working with what language and how. Yes. Who is working with API, who is looking after the front end, who is looking after the back end, who is working in DBA, who is designing, who is making the form, who to contact to get a certain job done, I have to understand this. Otherwise, I myself won't be able to work. But I'm asking you specifically, that is, in terms of actual coding, you don't have that kind of knowledge. But you have knowledge in data management. It would be wrong to say I don't know coding. My life started with coding. For example, when dBASE runs, notice, think about the first thing about dBASE. Back then, there was dBASE. You want to create a color, you have to write about zero to 255. You will code, to code, how you have to, just think about it. My first steps were with coding. Do you remember 1990, sorry, 1988? That's when the first IBM brand machine came to Bangladesh. Whose memory was 2 megabytes, hard disk was 2 megabytes. Whose monitor was 6 inches. No, I don't remember because I was in school then. Anyway Congratulations. My SSC was in '95. Alhamdulillah, no problem. No issue. Anyway, you all are very experienced, you know a lot. Time isn't really a barrier. The kids nowadays, the modern ones, they are nothing compared to us, they are nothing. They know a lot of things, they know a lot about the past, a lot about the future. Yes. They are very focused. No, knowledge is your knowledge, I don't know many things that you know. So, the thing about knowledge is like that, that you will know well in your expertise. I will know well in my expertise. That is knowledge. For me, my concept is like this. Work is not the issue, work is not the matter. Work is a simple thing. What is difficult are people. Okay. No, that's right. Do you have any idea about API development or integration, with the people you work with? How so, could you elaborate a bit? How do they work with APIs? For example, since you are a data analyst, you might often think about how data will be captured from one system to another, or how the data will come, do you think about that, or not? Okay. If you do, then API, even if you don't set up the integration, do you have any idea how to make the API work? I have no direct involvement in this, no. Okay, it could be one, two, three. Do you have any idea about databases? No, no, actually, technically, just give me 'no' for everything. Give me 'no'. You just mean... Instead of asking the next question, if it's technical, just give me 'no'. Okay. Okay. No, I am still asking the questions. Yes, no, it's okay. I am still asking the questions. Do you have any idea about DevOps? Tell me, tell me. The thing about DevOps is the work we do like server maintenance, project upload to the cloud, and Docker, CI, CD, all these things. Okay. No, here, for example, they discuss, they want to work with the cloud, I see that, I hear it. Okay, alright. I am the building base. Do you have any idea about system architecture? This, when Windows architecture was introduced... Not that Windows, I mean... No, no, no, about the architectures of that time... Software architecture can mean any kind of architecture. Or for example, Jarp architecture. Since you work with every team, that means if you don't know or understand the system architecture well, then how the data will go from one place to another, that coordination is often hindered. So, for that reason, what do we do? Those who are system analysts, we train them up on system architecture. No, here, let me tell you something. The master plan for this was made... by our JMI's former person who has left, the CFO sir. This master plan is in his hands. For this reason, many things still, he joined somewhere else a few days ago. So, for this reason, actually here... Even the managers, even Arif sir, they are all dominated by... Okay. So, for that reason, that's okay. That's not a problem. We can change jobs, we can leave. Okay? It's not a problem. So, this is why we are intervening, so that, for example, if someone leaves in the future, our system is not hindered because of them. So that there is a fallback plan. Yes, so to make that forward plan, Javed sir has brought us in. So that in the future, the developments happen smoothly, plus, the work we are doing now, we have to reverse engineer it. By reverse engineering it, bringing the total work to a... bringing it to a strong foundation. That's why we are saying these things. We will work with you. Sir, will this thing go to the factory level? Will you also go to Nipro's factory level? Gradually we will go, Inshallah. Yes. Because our total thing is to automate. Now if we have to reduce production costs through automation, then there is no way other than automation. Regarding production cost, the big production is happening at Nipro Pharma, at the pharma. Yes. So, gradually, that's why we're saying we will do it. The work we are mainly doing is, first, to fix the basic things. Then gradually add things. Because if I don't fix it at the root, the things that are built on that mistake will also be mistakes. Okay? So, for that reason... no, that won't be right. It will be an even bigger mistake. Then it will be seen that this investment that Javed sir has made, the huge amount of money he has invested, crores of money, that thing will become completely valueless. Now we... are you talking about Jarp? I mean, I'm talking about the total systematic build, Jarp, everything combined. No, no, regarding Jarp, there's something I must say, a simple matter. Jarp has done such a vast thing with so few resources, I don't believe you can bring another thing like it to the market. No, no, it's okay. I... your point... For this, still... We have nothing. What do we have that's original? We work on Oracle, do we have any original version of Oracle, any subscription? What do we have? In the office, do we have anything? What original thing do we have? Look at our laptops, our machines don't work properly, they hang, this and that. Our machines are not right either. These are the things we have come to fix. Now, as you mentioned Oracle, now let me tell you a small case study. Tell me. That is, a company in Germany, I won't tell you the details point by point. The case study was like this: a company with a great reputation, very... what do you call it... market-dominating, had very good production, but their manpower was low, salary was low, facilities were few, machinery was traditional, there was no modernity. So a big company came, targeting them, that they would capture their market. The thing was built right next to them. High-tech, technology, all machinery was state-of-the-art, people were very trained, they brought everyone, but they couldn't get close to them. Later, some talented people like you were appointed to analyze this, why they couldn't get close to them despite having everything. High remuneration, high resources, high-tech things, trained. Later what happened was, after analysis, they said that, due to only the harmonious environment. The owner, he is very good. He mixes with them cordially, and the employees are also very good. They treat work... To make them do this work, what they did was, at one point they reduced the salary, they saw the output was the same. They reduced it more, the light, they reduced the light, still they saw the output was the same. Their production was not being hampered. Everything of theirs was fine. Later they found out the result was due to the harmonious environment. I told you this for this reason: We are working in a harmonious environment. Due to our Arif sir, due to our colleagues. They are doing work like anything. No, no, that's true. The heart of an institution is its employees. Those who are in leadership positions, they grow because of their employees. Yes, of course. Whether they are good or bad, I won't judge that. I will evaluate it as a machine. Because an institution is a machine. In that machine, whether the head is knowledgeable or not, whether he does good work or not, all the equipment, the tires, I mean from tires to whatever a machine has, if I consider a car, if everything coordinates properly, then it can go very far. If that's not done, then the problem arises. So, in that case, that's why, since Javed sir is a very wise person, so we will try to see how this thing can be made better. There's one thing I forgot to ask at the end, when you mentioned the computer, I didn't know about this before. So, I will request, I... for the server, we have received some specifications, but I will go for an investigation again next week. So, the PCs you use or the laptops you use, if you can give me the specifications, whoever has what specification, in the column that you have, then I will talk about it, that I will actually see how far ahead or how far behind you are in proportion to now. I don't give any decisions. I just assess and say that our this... no, I just told you your result that it was found from the two institutions that despite so many things, despite so much technology, they are not succeeding because of the harmonious environment. The owner is good, the workers are good. They work like a family. And nothing else. That's what I said. So, the Excel document that you have, in that Excel document, if you can add the specifications for everyone's system, meaning the laptops you use or the PCs you use, to the document that Arif bhai has, then I will see, for example, you are an analyst, what should your PC be like? I will then suggest that a system analyst's PC should be of this type. If it's not that, then despite his productivity, his work will not progress because of technical or technological gaps. Suppose you are a complete mastermind, you are very... I mean, you can work at the speed of lightning. Now, brother, how will you work at the speed of lightning if your PC goes crack, crack, crack, crack. Our... we have so much work going on. Think about the condition of our server. We have so much work going on. Yesterday, on the last date, Thursday, the data cut down. Then it came back to... Meaning, the load on the data card became too much. These few technical things, according to our logistic support, we are not what we should be. No, that's what we will work on, Inshallah. No problem. I believe it, I believe it. And what you said, about the Chairman sir or the MD sir. He is the MD of UNIDO, our Nipro's Chairman, sir, and our boss, the main boss, the main person. He is truly dynamic, he is truly wise. That's why we are waiting to see by what measure he will evaluate us. No, Inshallah, we... and we, you probably know that we will work together. My institution and Monon Soft. So We hope for the best. Because, for example, I am in the UK or we work in the USA, the world's first... I mean, the first two countries, first comes the US, then comes the UK, okay? If we can't do something good from here, if we can't capture this market, then it won't work. So, to do that, whatever needs to be done, we will do it, Inshallah, no problem. Okay, I... Let me tell you something funny. I asked my younger brother's wife, 'Well, you are a KFC manager in America, you see a lot of people. Tell me, are Americans intelligent or Bengalis?' She said Bengalis. So how is it possible? She said Bengalis know multiplication tables, Americans don't. There you go... I am a KFC manager, no one gets a chance with me, not a single penny's chance, because I learned multiplication tables in my childhood. There is a gap here. What is the gap? That is, we... you know, after learning so many things, there's a saying, 'too many cooks spoil the broth'. Our characteristic often becomes like this. Since I have, you could say, spent half of my life in Bangladesh and half of my life in the UK, in both environments. So, it is seen that... if I talk about my son, he is in class 8, he has no textbooks. Okay? He goes to school, in school they teach him biology, they teach him maths, they teach him chemistry, they teach him cooking, he can bake well, plus whatever else there is, they teach English, they teach pronunciation. But that is limited to the school's 8 to 2, within that 8 to 2. He comes home, and at home, he... I mean, he can do things that I can't, if I speak in terms of technology. So what we do... they are teaching him everything, and there it's practical, not memorization. Here they teach multiplication tables, but there they teach multiplication tables in a way that we haven't learned. I now think that the way my son is learning, if I had learned that way, then in the things where I am very excellent, no one could have held me back. Okay? So, working with people like this, and we go to different organizations, we go to different organizations and work with the people of those organizations. So then it is seen that, as I am working with a Bangladesh organization, working with a UK organization, one difference is Here, suppose, the thing you are excellent at, they grow that more, or we do too, the thing you are excellent at, I will grow that. Which one you are bad at, I won't consider that or look at it. Why? Because I don't need that. Sorry, one second. What happened, son? No, no, what is she doing? What is Nana doing? She's walking around... Okay, let Nana do it. No problem. You go. I am in a meeting here. She's at the door... Okay, let her be at the door. Let Nana be. You go. Okay. My mother-in-law stays with us. So she walks around or does things. She's over... a little... 74 I think is her age. But anyway, you go, go and watch TV, go. Go. Let Nana do her work. I will deal with Nana later. Okay? Ma, finish with the toilet and then pray. I will finish my meeting and give you breakfast, go. You just go to the toilet, leave these things here. I am setting it up. So, what I'm saying is, this gap, this gap... often if we don't work with the internal people, it's not possible to understand. Because a food store and specifically, a... what do you call it... this technological innovation or a university or these kinds of things, there is a world of difference. So there, when a client goes, or when an environment is created, it's totally dependent on the environment. In a food store, a certain type of people will definitely go, they might have talent, they might have many things, but they don't have the charm that the people working at the corporate level have. Why I am saying this is because I have worked at the lower level, I have worked at the mid-level, now I am working at the upper level. So I have seen all the total systematic things. I have worked in a hospital for a long 12 years. Okay? As a... I mean, as a health care assistant. You said, I know, I was in that meeting. Okay. So I see work as work, but from there, if I have... if I have talent, I will definitely take myself to the corporate level. I won't stay at that level. No, in Monon Soft, there is no lack of burning examples of this. Because here, you know, if someone gets angry or upset, they leave, and wherever they go, they go with three times the salary. Yes, that is there. Here, in Monon Soft, this is not an issue at all, it's a common matter here. If someone has gotten angry, they leave, and when they leave, they go with three times the salary. No, no, that's alright. So... but they regularly come back. How do they come back? They come, they come regularly and chat. This environment, the harmonious environment I was talking about, they missed that. Wherever they go, they get money, but they miss the environment. Here everyone regularly keeps in touch and comes. No, it's alright. Even yesterday someone came. Let's get back to our... what do you call it... questionnaire. Do you have any idea about debugging or troubleshooting? Okay, let's not talk about debugging. The matter of troubleshooting, here I will talk about some configurable things. For example, in material management or production planning PP, yes, in these places and in FICO, everywhere some configurable things work. Yes. There, this configurable thing, in that case, the topic of troubleshooting comes up. That it's giving this output, it shouldn't be coming, yes, if this happens then it will work, so I will go there and fix it. Troubleshooting has to be done. That's a good point. Now if we talk about troubleshooting, how much will you give yourself in troubleshooting? Five out of five. Five. Okay. Document analysis and understanding, if I talk about your case. Document... document... What kind of document? Could you elaborate a bit? Since you work with data, for example, you have brought data from one department, and data from another department, you will coordinate the two and match them. Now, if you don't understand the document, you won't be able to match it without seeing it. Plus, you can't tell the developer that this department runs like this, these are their data, this department runs like this, these are their data, but you have to... let me give you an example. GQC, the second-in-command of the General Quality Control department, the assistant manager, Mr. Matu, he asked me if my background is in microbiology. Why? Because I was giving him ideas about microbiology. Okay, good. The matter is like this. Am I clear? Yes. I mean, I understand documentation well because I have to enter it into the system after understanding these things from them. Suppose 248 master products have been entered, they were entered by me. Yes. Alhamdulillah. Here, this... suppose you have 700... what do you call it... 894 FGs, they were entered by us. This not only that, here QC, your excipients, here also there are APIs, there are active pharmaceutical ingredients, excipients, then there are packing materials, primary packing material, secondary packing material. Here also there are thousands of cases. Here, these 3500 products' specifications, if you consider an average of 10-12 for each, you calculate. All of this was entered by us, by me. Alhamdulillah. Okay, so in the case of documents, how much will you give yourself? I have to understand. Five. If I don't understand, the result at the root will be bad. That's what I'm saying. The work won't progress. We will now talk about behavioral skills. In time management, how much will you rate yourself? Time management. I won't talk about the past, I'll talk about the present. Current. I come to the office before everyone else. Okay, so that means how much will you give yourself? Five. Okay. Regarding communication, how is your English or Bengali communication? As needed... I am still holding on. Alhamdulillah, I can manage. So, in Bangladesh's perspective, I will give five, because I am not a foreigner, I am a Bangladeshi. You will give five in both? Yes, of course. Alhamdulillah. Okay. And here, interpersonal is very important for us, those who work man-to-man, you have to understand everyone to work. That's why I've been saying from the beginning, work never seems difficult to me, what seems difficult to me are people. Then, how to mix with which person, how to proceed, how to take the work, and how to impose it on them, it is very difficult to... Teamwork and collaboration, since you... ...are speaking. Alhamdulillah, five, five, five, five. Okay. Ownership of tasks. Ownership... I... in what perspective are you saying this, if you could tell me, ownership. In the context of your work. Meaning, do I own my work? Oh, everyone gets annoyed. Okay. That means you are persistent. Let me tell you about today's meeting. I protested about today's meeting. Why did the 3 o'clock meeting start at 4? When the topic came up, I said this is official, not personal. You can't ask why the 3 o'clock meeting is at 4. Of course, one must ask. No, I'm saying, why the 3 o'clock meeting is at 4, this is official and official time. Why are you asking? What is the need? This is not a personal matter, the official decision was changed for an official reason. I don't need to understand why. You are doing your work, do it. The office, official procedure changed, this is a managerial decision. This is not a matter for the subordinate level, this is a managerial decision, a managerial matter. No, that can change. So, how much will you give yourself in ownership? Alhamdulillah, five. Okay, because, if I don't own something, if I don't own it, nothing good will come of it for you. No, no, no, that won't happen. It... at everyone's level... Never. If everyone at their level owns their thing, only then is it possible to grow. Otherwise, it will be seen that I am owning it, but the person I am connected with, if he doesn't own it, I will fail. Simple. You must own it, it's mandatory. Otherwise, the quality won't be good either. Problem-solving skills. Alhamdulillah, good. Okay, how much will you give? Five, five, five. Nothing less. Learning initiative. Very good. Okay, you're giving five in this. Okay. Adaptability. Alhamdulillah, very good. It seems all your questions are made for me, aren't they? Okay, no, it's the same question for everyone. Then good, five. Okay, the conversation we will have now, we will do it in English to understand English levels. as well as your understanding of English. Sure, sure, sure. Why not? Which parts of your role do you feel you are strongest in? I am feeling which part? You know, I can I can create the interpersonal relationship between peoples. That I can understand the work, I can own the work, huh? I think this is my special quality. Okay, which parts of your role do you struggle with? Struggle with. Sometimes to support the working people. several times, same thing, feel mentally disturbed, but I controlled myself. Okay. What skills would you like to improve over next six to twelve months? Oh, six to twelve, I I just dreaming about the jarp. It will be completed. Within twelve months. skills, not jarp. Your skills. Of course, of course. Jarp equal to my skill. HRM will be completed. I will be expert in HRM. FICO will be completed, I will be expert in FICO. I think only about the Jarp now right now. I'm focusing on the Jarp, nothing else. Okay. How confident are you working across the full stack environment? Alhamdulillah. Fine. Very fine. What slows you down in your current data analytic role? Sorry, again? What slows you down in your current analytic role? Manpower. Okay. And time. Manpower and time. Okay. What new technologies or tools do you want to learn? Uh, yeah, definitely. Okay. What type of task or responsibilities would you like more? Very difficult to say. quantify, okay. Um do you have right resource and documentation to perform your work? Right resources and documentation? What kind of right resources and documentation? Related to your work. What you do. No, no, no. Think about that. Uh according to our previous CFO sir, and the project manager designed the program. They are working according to their forms and giving me the master data requirement. I collect it from the field source and institution and input them. proper documentation, I have a lot of confusion about it. proper documentation there should be a distinguished documentation. If you ask me about the OQ, PQ, AQ, there is no OQ, PQ. Okay. But what... here you have to mention one thing especially, that is Jarp is not completed. Think, we are working the institution along with among the institution we are working, they are our development partner. Yes. They are... especially Nipro JMI Pharma, they are our development partner. Jarp is not completed, but we are working with them. They are working with us. They are development partner. Here the documentation task is not completed, documentation is not completed. Okay. Okay, that's fantastic. Do you think that if we complete the documentation, that will be stronger position for us, or if we don't complete the documentation, what type of mishap we would have in the future? Without documentation, the institution, this product Jarp will not be completed. Without this is not possible. You have to have the recognition, you have to have the documentation. You must. It has no alternate. So from your perspective, we must finalize the documentation and then we would see the end. If you want to think about in a page you are writing in the first line, then second line, then third line, again you are entering another line in the second, another line in the fourth, another line in the fifth. One after another. Your line is not completed. Definite. You can't say this is first line. First line is this is volatile. At this this moment, you can't complete the documentation. Two things I wanted to discuss with you. I know that uh uh talking with you, taking a little bit longer time. Other people, they will they will be very um not um what I would say, in good uh um mood, but I just wanted to talk to you. You talk about documentation and understand that due to due to my understanding and due to my work with you, understand, yes, we need documentation, we will do that. In relation with the unregistered or unlicensed version, what is your concern about that? Unlicensed version? Unlicensed version of the database, the Oracle database. What is your concern? Think, one thing, uh this is unlicensed version, it's true, but another segment is we are... the Oracle institution is declared up to 19c, up to 19c is free. We can use up to 19c version only. Up to 19c. But after that we can't use. But Oracle introduced the AI version. We are deprived from them. Because we are not subscribed. Yeah, a few things that Oracle is tremendous tremendous DB and tremendous also expensive also. Oracle is also expensive and tremendous. But we are deprived of this sort of facilities. Because, um you know, Windows or all all any any applications they have an earlier version and they have a new version. So what they do, uh they uh prioritize it for people they don't have money, so you can use it but that's free. But you can get the cream. Okay? Yes. Old version, they will never maintain a particular way uh to support those things. If there is a problem in database structure or anything happened, then they are not going to fix it because they they don't worry about that. another thing, not the latest version will make you updated. You need also a training. We must have have to have the development point. without target and point and the course and the logistic support, all of will make you. If someone without with his own capacity, if someone learn something, that is the also development of the jarp. Yes. So if you give some sort of training and courses, it will reaches the jarp. So I totally understand what you're saying and what you are coming from. But that's that's fine. We are creating a versatile work for for JMI or Monon Soft. We will have a to complete the current version 0.1. We will have a global road map that we will work on specifically some methodology uh to extend Jarp to global market. As well as we will have um training facilities, career development facilities for AI and DevOps. In this scenario, where do you fit in? You know, first we have to restart. Without registration, without recommendation, without government clearance, we cannot move on cross border. We can make the deal cross border. That's the thing is the process that we will go through with the process. It doesn't matter. But I ask you, I asked you, where do you fit in? Current Jarp, or global roadmap, or career development? Both, both, both in the Bangladesh, also in the global. I am thinking with the first out of the circle, I am thinking first the 13 countries, our exporting 13 countries. Okay. Um, that's end of my questions. Do you have any question for me? Oh, if you don't mind, your left eye is smaller. Is there any problem? That's due to my brain tumor surgery. Oh. Oh, oh, oh. Sorry, sorry, sorry. So, so. Uh that's uh I had a brain tumor surgery in 2009. And due to that, um I'm left my left side is weak. I'm deaf. And other complications. I have lots of hundreds of other complications. But that's not um that's not that's why uh I'm very strong in in training teams and creating new things. Uh disabilities, atmosphere and all other things should not bind you to do great work. If you are great, if you have great knowledge, if someone helps you to overcome your barriers, you can do great work. Yes. Last of all, not only me, also we eagerly waiting for your very good news, which will improve us. First we thought that you will give us a huge AI platform and training and lot of key things to work on it. Yes, uh definitely Inshallah. We will, we will work together. Now, I am I am also hopeful that you will give us a lot of high high configured system. I will talk about it to Javed bhai. So don't worry. But I know server, also server. Yes, so all things things. Yeah, because uh I I I cannot give you, I can propose like, okay, this is the things they have. So they they I am not demanding you, I hope, I hope. I am not demanding you. I will ask him, I I I'm just the person to present him my findings and he will take the decision, okay? Your positive attitude will be. I don't make decisions. I I'm just going to present the findings and show him like, okay, this is their states and that you have to do this, you have to do this, you have to do. So if you do this one, you will gain this. If you don't do this one, you will lose this. So this is... Thank you. This is a lot of us. This this will a lot of us. Thank you, thanks a lot. So let me call for the next person, please. Sure, sure, sure. Uh who who Mr. Nasimul? Our Nasimul. Okay. Yes. Thank you. Goodbye. Thank you. Thank you. Bye bye. Thank you for your time. Assalamualaikum. Are you well? Yes, Alhamdulillah. Are you well? I am, Alhamdulillah. Okay, I will just take your form for a moment. Nasimul Karim. Yeah. Okay, just give me a second.