Okay. Ah, so... just give me a second. I just need to get your document out. Raju, right? Your full name is Rakibul Islam Raju.
Yes, yes.
I'm the... Rakibul Islam Raju, okay.

Okay, I will ask some basic questions here. These basic questions... the questions I am asking, I will ask everyone the same questions. I mean, I will ask the same questions. Here, just to understand what knowledge or depth you have. So, first of all, please tell me your full name and your job title.

Yes. My name is Rakibul Islam Raju. And my job title is Oracle Database Administrator. I mainly work with DB. DB-related administrative tasks. And I also have some knowledge about the cloud. Cloud and on Linux, I have knowledge up to RHCSA, RHCE, and CCNA for networking.

Okay. Who do you report to?

No, I report to Arif sir.
Okay, you report to Arif sir.

Okay. Today is the 25th for us. We are having this discussion on the 25th today. So... for how many years have you been in your current role?

I have been in these database-related roles for about six years.
No, I mean with this company, with Mononsoft or JM.
With Mononsoft, it's been about five years. Almost five years. I joined in '19.

Okay, we will ask some questions here. We are asking these questions to everyone. If regarding the questions... if you feel you have expertise or not, please say directly that you don't have it, you only have this. Okay? Why? Because we are using this whole thing for assessment purposes. Okay? Do you have any idea about backend or frontend development?

I have a slight idea about backend and frontend development, but not a deep understanding.
Okay. Because I'm not a developer.
Okay. If I ask you to rate yourself, what would you rate yourself?

As a backend developer, I would understand the code if I saw it, but I haven't, for example, written any code myself. So... I don't have that experience.
Okay, that's fine. We will do a one to five rating here. Okay? One is the lowest, and five is excellent. So, if we talk about backend or frontend development, how much would you give yourself between one to five?

Okay, what language is it, I mean in which language?
No no, I'm talking about your expertise, not the language. Expertise. In some matters, you might be excellent in your subject area. We are assessing here... what kind of...
Then, since I'm not a developer, especially for ViewJS, meaning frontend, and other languages besides SQL on the backend, I can probably give myself a rating of two.
Okay, alright. Okay, that's fine.
Okay. Regarding API development and integration, since you work with databases... Are you proficient in any aspect of API development or integration? Or do you only work with databases and not with APIs?

No, I don't really do any development work with APIs. If there's something server-related, like the API on your server, if it's Laravel, or Java, those kinds of APIs... have to be integrated with the database, I can do that. But, for example, I can't do any development.
Okay, you can't develop, you can just do the integration work with the database. Okay. Then if I ask you to rate yourself here, where do you see yourself? I mean, where...
Since I'm not in development, it's a two, because I don't do any development-related work.
Okay. Now let's come to your favorite subject, database management. In database management, what level do you see yourself at?

For database management, my knowledge and expertise are in Oracle and PostgreSQL. I have a lot of expertise in these two. And also... and MinIO or MongoDB, I have knowledge in those as well. In Oracle or PostgreSQL, I can be given a four or five. But... I can manage this much.
Okay, should I give a four or a five?
Give me a four. Since I wouldn't say I'm a complete expert.
For database optimization and query tuning, at what expert level do you consider yourself?

For database optimization, if your database is MongoDB plus Oracle and PostgreSQL, then it's a four. And if it's another database, like Cassandra or MSSQL, then it's a two or three for me.
Okay. If we extend this question, this question, I know you are working on Oracle. But if we want to change the database in the future, change to any other database, in that case, what would your adaptability be like?

If it's an SQL database, it would take me maybe 15 days or at most one month to adapt. That much won't even be needed. But if it's NoSQL, then it might take me a little time. If it's NoSQL-related.
Do you have that interest?
Yes, yes. I have no problem gaining knowledge on that.
Okay. If we talk about DevOps, do you have any idea about DevOps?

Yes, I have an idea about DevOps.
Okay, could you explain a bit?
In DevOps, for example, things like doing CI/CD, then scaling, or for instance, in the cloud, if you come to AWS, I have experience in AWS... about AWS and OCI, which is Oracle's cloud, I have knowledge about these two. And also, I have proficiency in Docker and Kubernetes. Docker and Kubernetes.
What rating would you give yourself for this?
At the expertise level, if... if you talk about everything related to DevOps, then I am perhaps at a mid-level, not an expert, not fully an expert. I can say I'm at a mid-level, and that's it.
Mid-level is intermediate, intermediate means three.
Is that what you mean... like that. Okay.

If we talk about understanding system architecture, since you work with the software development team, what kind of knowledge do you have in that area?

Yes, I have knowledge about system architecture. And in this case, it's more about database design or the database itself. But for other software-related things like frontend or such, my knowledge is a bit less. Because I have never really done anything practical with it. Since all my work is DB-related and server-related. So, from that aspect, I understand system architecture. I mean, for example, if it's database normalization, table design, I can do those things. But for a whole software, from frontend to backend, my knowledge of the frontend is, you can say, minimal. For example, I can integrate and work with a developer, I have that much ability. But if I am asked to design a frontend, I won't be able to do that.
Okay, that's fine. If I extend a bit on system architecture, you are creating databases, and in today's applications, the database is the heart, right? Or the brain. So if we talk about this heart or brain, if, for example, developers are working on the system and they are not able to integrate correctly, unable to retrieve data from your database, and there is an error, what is your capacity for analyzing that error?

Yes, I can do that. Meaning, with your whole application, whatever you call it, be it pool connectivity or direct share, shared connectivity, or whatever type of connectivity it uses to get data from the DB for any application, I can handle that. Be it Java, PHP, or any other language.
Okay. What mark will you give yourself for this now?
System architecture understanding. In system architecture understanding, I am at a mid-level, you can consider it a three. Okay, since I can't do development.
If we talk about debugging and troubleshooting, how do you see yourself in terms of debugging and troubleshooting?

Yes, debugging and troubleshooting, if it's system-related, and DB and system-related, for instance, OS-related, then I can give myself a four for that. And if, for example, it's code-related, other than SQL, meaning not SQL, but it's another language like Python, PHP, or Java code, in that case, I'm... that's a one. Because I haven't really done practical integration work there. I just have theoretical knowledge on it.

Okay. Documentation quality. Let's say someone told you that a software will be developed. To develop the software, you first need to create the database structure. To do that, you were asked to create documentation related to the database based on the SRS. Okay? So, in that case, what rating would you give yourself for quality, understanding quality, and preparing?

Yes, for documentation related to DB, I can give myself 3.5 or 4. For DB or system-related tasks. I mean, my main expertise is in systems, specifically not Windows, but Linux systems. Any Linux OS, be it an RPM-based OS or Ubuntu, or any other, I have experience in that. For documenting that or preparing the DB, I can give myself 3.5 or 4.
Okay, I've given a four here. Now let's talk about behavioral skills, okay?
In terms of team management, time management, what rating would you give yourself?

Okay. Regarding time management... this is about whether I can deliver a project on time if it's given to me, is it related to that? For example, a task is assigned to me. Yes... if I understand it, meaning if I understand the project and it's related to my field, then I can give myself a four or four... Yes, I can get it done within that time.
Okay, within the given time. In terms of communication, what would you give yourself?

In terms of communication... if my boss or client is Bangladeshi, a Bangla speaker, then it's a five. And if they speak another language, meaning they are from another country, in that case, I can give myself 3.5 or 4.
Okay, I'm looking at communication. You'll give yourself a five for Bangla. And English?
In English, maybe a four, for the technical part.

In terms of teamwork and collaboration, how would you rate yourself?

Yes, in terms of teamwork, I can give myself a four. I mean, I have no problem working with my teammates.
Let me give you a scenario. Your line manager, and someone works under you, right? Or are you the end of your line?
No, I... A line manager is the person you work under. And does anyone work under you?
Yes, under me, there's no DBA here as such. There is one subordinate. I get them to work sometimes.
Okay. Now if I say that in a communication teamwork scenario, your line manager, Arif sir, told you to do a task. Okay? And that task... In terms of teamwork, you have various constraints here. What are the constraints? The constraints are, those who are developing are actually coding, they will work with you. Those who are designing will work with you. And the other database engineers will also work with you. Now Arif sir told you to complete a task. How will you do that?

Okay, it is that if I get my assignment from him, the tasks that are related to me, I will do them. Or my helping hand, the two of us together. And for the other tasks, the team player who will actually deal with it, I will have to explain to them that if you complete your part, then maybe we will merge it and say, yes, a whole project is ready. Like this.
Okay, how much would you give yourself in this teamwork and collaboration aspect?
Since we are actually working as a team, as JARV is our team, everyone did it together. For that reason, I can give myself a four. Since JARV is running successfully, by the grace of God.
Okay. In terms of task ownership, what would you give yourself?

Task ownership... I can give myself 3.5 for that.
Why?

Actually, fully I don't really... Hello? If I explain the matter of ownership in Bangla, it is to do the task yourself. Whenever we assign a task or take on a task, you have to own it, consider it your own. Only when we consider it our own, the work gets done well. And when we don't, the work isn't done well. Okay? So, in that case, what do you think about the matter of ownership?

No, regarding the matter of ownership, I do consider it my own, or I think of it in a way that, for example, if there's a task that I have to learn and do, I think that maybe it will help my future or I am gathering my own knowledge. I am developing myself. And for the company, I try to give as much output as I can, as much as is possible for me. Taking on the task and taking responsibility to finish it again.
Now, if I give you a situation where you have taken ownership of a task and you have a constraint with another person, suppose a developer. You are unable to fulfill your task on time due to this constraint. What will you do?

Now, if the situation is that I have a task where I am dependent on someone, that for my work, I might have to implement something after someone else finishes their work. If it's like that and because of them my work is delayed... In that case, we will first try to mutually figure out how to finish it before the time runs out. We will discuss among ourselves with whom my dependency lies. Then, if it's absolutely not solved with them, I will definitely discuss it with my line manager and say that, sorry, we are stuck here and can't move forward, we need your help.

Okay. If I go to the next question. Okay, what are your problem-solving skills like? At what stage do you consider yourself?

In problem-solving, I like to persist. Whatever the problem is, if it's related to me, I keep trying until I can solve it. And if it's a case where I couldn't do it today, I take a rest and start again. I try my best to solve a problem, any problem. I mean, the problems that are related to my work.
What mark would you give yourself?
Regarding actually solving problems, I can't say, my head might be able to say how many problems I'm able to solve. But if you ask if I persist with it or if I try, in that case, I would give myself a five, because I keep trying until I can solve it. I keep trying for that long. And that might take one day, two days, four days, five days, seven days. I keep trying.
Now, for example, a problem was given to you, you are within a time frame to solve it, you have to complete, fulfill the project on time. But you couldn't solve the problem. In that case, what will you do? I know you want to persist, that's okay, that's a great option. But... persisting and solving a problem for instant project delivery are two different things. In that case...
In this case, I maintain one thing. That is, from the beginning of my job life, for every problem I have faced, I actually manage a Git repository for it, on GitHub or my own Git. That I faced this problem, and this is the solution; I faced that problem, and this is the solution. Doing this, whenever I get any problem, the first thing I do is check my history to see if I have faced a similar problem before. If it's solved from there, then it's done. And what you're saying, yes, everything has a time period. I will try, and definitely, before the time is up, I will inform my line manager that sir, I have tried, but it's not working. Maybe then he will give me a better solution, or I will try to get some help from him. Because in this case, problem-solving is entirely centered on my thinking. It might be that I'm thinking of solving a problem in one way, but it can actually be solved by thinking about it in another way. In this case, my line manager, Arif sir, has 20-22 years of experience; he has probably solved more related problems than I have. If I talk to him for two minutes, he might change my way of thinking and say, no, the way you are trying, try it a different way. In that case, I will definitely take his help. And in this case, I won't ask for help at the last minute when my time is up, not like that. After trying for a while, I will understand how much is possible for me. And before the time is up, I will inform him, "Sir, I have tried, but I can't do it. If you could help." I mean, this is how I have been working so far.
Okay. How much will you mark yourself in problem-solving?

Yes, in problem-solving, so far, all the problems I have gotten, by the grace of God, have been solved. It hasn't happened that a problem wasn't solved. Still, I don't consider myself that much of an expert. I can give a four here.
Okay. Regarding learning attitude, although you have already described a lot that you want to learn or you want to solve problems by learning. In terms of learning attitude and initiative, what mark do you give yourself?
Yes, in terms of learning, I... here too, regarding learning, I actually try to learn something new every day. It could be by reading a book, reading a blog, or a YouTube tutorial, or in some other session; I try every day for at least half an hour to an hour to learn about a new topic. It could be a technical issue related to my field, a lifestyle issue, or something life-oriented; I actually try to learn something. In this case, I can give myself a four. I mean, I always try to watch, I mean listen to these things. At least if I can't do much, I listen to podcasts. Podcasts on any topic. For example, a DevOps podcast, or others who are in our field, or maybe not technical, but related to other things. For example, in life, maybe about economics or such topics, I try to learn about them, and I also try to read books. Whatever time I get. Be it religious, or about lifestyle, I have a pretty good interest in learning anything. I can give myself a four for this.

Okay. Adaptability, how well can you adapt?

Yes, for adapting, if it's a technical matter and related to my field, I can give myself a four there. If it's another topic, for example, something else from science, I actually have a lot of interest in science. For example, in this case, you can say topics in physics, or astrology, or space, I am interested in these things as well. But if it's adapting to something DB-related in my technical field, I can give myself 3.5 or 4. Since I also deal with other topics, maybe I understand some things and don't understand others. In those cases, I can give myself a two or three, I can probably adapt that much.
Okay. Next session, I will ask you some questions and please try to communicate in English. If you cannot, then we will continue in Bengali. Okay? What parts of your role do you feel strongest in?

Yeah.
Hello?
Can you please say again?
Which parts of your role do you feel you are strongest in?

Um, I am best in database management or system related issues, like Linux or... my best part is...

Yes.

Can you describe?

Actually, I'm working more than five years about in database management and Linux system administration. So, so my maximum knowledge, 80% knowledge is about database, database related, like system and database related. So, my... so I think my my best part is system related and database management. I'm not a developer, so... so development knowledge is very little for me. Just I can continue my... I'm just... just I can work with a developer, but I am... I cannot... but I cannot develop any software. So... so my part is... my my best part is... my and my expertise is about database management and system, system related or networking issue.
Okay. Which parts of your role do you struggle with?

Okay, sometimes I am struggling with development site. Sometimes when I face an issue like someone called me, the system runs very slow. But but but I when I understanding the developing code, I try to understand this is the... I am struggling and now I am... now now these days, a few days, I I am helping with AI, like ChatGPT or Google. Because maximum time I am struggling with programming related issue.
Okay. Which skills would you like to improve over next six to twelve months?

Yes. I want to... next six months, I want to learn my skill is database tuning and is cloud infrastructure.
Okay. How confident you are working across the full stack development?

I will try, sometime I want to learn about Python. I think Python is easy language for me. So... if you... full stack, full, full stack I will need two or three years, I think.
Okay. Do you work remotely or in in person?

I work in both, remotely and in person, both.
Okay. What shows slow you down in your current development or database work role?

Can you please say again?
What what slows you down in your current development or database work?

What's slow?
What makes you slow?

Actually, now I am suffering about slowness in database performance tuning. Now I think this is give me the slow performance. So I I want to learn about more details about database performance tuning. Actually, database performance tuning is not only for database performance tuning, it depends on the system, network and sometimes development code. So I I am slowly, I think this part is slow my... my my performance.
What new technologies or tools do you want to learn?

Yes, I want to learn about AI. At this time, I want to learn about AI, how AI work, and how to... how can I work with AI or how can I develop an AI tool like for... like my assistant.
Okay. I want to make AI to my assistant so that so that I just promote some some common day, they do have. So in this type, I I sometimes I I am now I am learning about Ansible. It's not an AI, just but it's... it can do many work at a time. So it's helped me when I work with large infrastructure, like 20 or 25 servers at a time to run a command. So I can use I now I'm using Ansible.
Okay. What type of tasks or responsibilities would you like more of?

Tasks or responsibilities... I actually like to to work with database related issues, database related, database management, and now nowadays I want to learn, but I want to make about cloud infrastructure.
Okay. Like AWS or OCI or Google Cloud.
Do you have write sources and documentation for your work?

Yes, I I already mentioned that I I have worked... I am I am maintaining a documentation in Git or like a GitHub, I just for my... for my future because because my work is the problem solving is the... now this... when I... just for example, today I am solving a problem, a network related or DB related issue. But after six months, I I forget it, how can... how I solve this. So so when I solve any issue, I just write a documentation in markup language, so I can push this code in my GitHub. So I just check it out how it's work. So documentation is more important for me, me also my type of work because configuration is... configuration or system related issue is is not a my regular job.
Okay. Where do you think that you can add more value? So there is a scenario that we will complete JARV 0.1 and we will also extend JARV for a global road map. So in these two scenario, where you think that you can play a vital role? JARV 0.1 or JARV Global?

Okay.

Did you understand my point, question?

MD Rokibul Islam, you are not audible.
Uh now you should hear me?
Yes, I can hear you. Where you can add most value? Current version, finalizing JARV 0.1 or global roadmap of JARV?

Okay. I can... I can add more value because because of already I know the JARV JARV system, how it's work, how a user... how a user can pull and get data from JARV. Every... So so if if JARV scaling is big role or or a global market, I can share my knowledge with with others. So... so I think I can play a good role for JARV JARV global.
Okay. As you know that we are dividing the workforce in three domain. One is the current JARV workforce. Second one DevOps, and third one AI. In these three specific domain, where do you think you are the most suitable person?

Yes, it's a good question. In this three domain, now I am working already the JARV first domain, called JARV. And now I now I and now I am learning about AI and cloud infrastructure. So I think on two years later, I got a vast knowledge about this. And I think my team will help me for to learn this. Okay.
So...

Do you have anything else to add to this conversation?

No, I think it's okay.

Okay, that's fine. Rakibul. Um, we have completed our discussion. So what we would do, we will create a report based on your CV, your work, and as well as this interview. And we will share the results, the report with the senior levels. Thank you very much for your time.

Yes. Thank you.

Hello, yes sir. Thank you for giving me a chance. I think hopefully together we can make a better JARV. That's right, thank you, I appreciate it. If I get a chance.
Thank you.
Arif bhai, now we are... Yes. So we just interviewed two people. So, what I feel... Raju, you can leave if you want.
Okay, sir.
Okay. Okay, thank you.

Raju is probably working from home today, right?
Yes.
I can hear some background noise. Okay. So, what we can do is... these questioners... I'm actually asking for your suggestion, should we share it with your team beforehand for their preparation, or do you want to ask them the raw questions to see their instant replies and to understand their depth and knowledge?

From the two interviews, based on the responses that came... I think if we share it a little, then they can prepare their presentation a bit better for you. Sometimes, what happens is... with unexpected questions... I might know the answer but can't answer you. That kind of thing happens. So if they get a little preparation, it might be better.
Okay. Russell bhai, do you have any suggestions on this?

Assalamualaikum, Nesar bhai. I joined a bit late. No problem. Anyway, I agree with what Arif bhai said because, for them... their communication... talking with you... I think they are getting a little... what is it called... unconscious or feeling a bit shaky. So, if they know what kind of questions... even if you don't share the exact questions, but what topics you want to know about, if you share that, it would be better for them to prepare.
Okay. And it will be easier for you to understand their view, their depth.
That's why I asked you two. Now, actually, what level they are at or what their situation is, to know that, the questions are needed. Although we are asking the same questions, there's no change in that. But still, the same questions have to be asked. When we assess, we ask everyone the same questions. Why? Because our goal is what we will do in the future. Our goal is AI, full-stack development, these two. Now, plus, there should be no problem with the current JARV. If we want to cover these three domains, I need to know which employees are more forward-thinking, which employees want to learn, which employees have the potential to learn in these two domains.

Exactly, exactly.
So, I will share a separate list of these questions with both of you. So, I think if you share that link with them, then what will happen is they can prepare a little.

Okay.

Okay. I'll just... I need a second. I copied it. I'm putting it in the message here. And I'm also putting it on WhatsApp, in our group. So, my... after talking with these two, what I understood is that each one has their own strengths, which you have told me before, that each person has their own strengths. But if we want to combine their strengths, that is possible, to bring someone into multitasking. That is definitely possible because that's what's happening globally now. And if we can't do that, then we will have an issue with resource optimization, our costs will be higher. I am already working on the documentation that was shared with me, and what I saw is that just the salary costs around 2 crore taka. Just the salary, yearly. Now, there are many other things here. You are given food, you have specific travel and other things for some people. So if those are considered, then it means we are making a huge investment. Now, against this investment, investing is good, not bad, but against it, are we being able to add value or not, that is the question. Now, if we can't add that value, then definitely the business people will not continue this initiative for long. If it were me, I wouldn't do it either.

Right.
So, in that case, my specific target will be to assess everyone and create a right framework. That exactly... and I also noticed that I... if I go into your roles, I'm just sharing this with you, I haven't shared it with anyone else yet. Because I will be working with you, I'm sharing it with you. That at the same level, there are six people. At the same level where six people are, among them, if I put Said bhai at the very top, out of the... out of the levels, then there are five people. And among these five people, everyone is a project manager, and as project managers, they are managing projects in different domains. And in your salary structure, what I saw in that structure is that those who are at the top level and those who are at the mid-level or bottom level, there is a huge difference in their structures, in the salary structure. I have also seen that people working at the same level, it seems there is a salary differentiation among them as well. So, these things, I am pointing them out, they will be in my report. So, we have to minimize these things nicely, that actually how we can make the team more proactive, cut down costs, and move towards earning. My main job is how we can start earning. And to do that, whatever is needed, Javed sir has already told me. But still, if I don't work nicely with you, then I won't be able to achieve it.

Right, right. Right. Agreed.
Okay. So, I wanted to sit with you two separately tomorrow. I will do some more work today. To sit separately and come to an... I mean, some understanding... to give some understanding to you and to get some understanding myself. So, tomorrow our meeting will start at 10. Right? So if it starts at 10, if we can sit a little earlier, if we can sit a little earlier...
Nesar bhai, what's the Bangladesh time?
Bangladesh time is now, for example, it's 11:41 here. So what time is it in Bangladesh now?
5:41.
5:41.
So at 4 o'clock.
Yes. So we...
I can't make it tomorrow at 4 o'clock, Nesar bhai. I won't be able to.
Okay. Then can we meet the day after tomorrow, on Wednesday?
Thursday.
No, tomorrow is Wednesday, the day after is Thursday.
Yes, yes. The day after tomorrow is Thursday.
On Thursday, at the same time?
On Thursday, for example, we will have the interviews from 10 o'clock. If we can sit at 9?
Or 9:30 is also fine.
Yes, yes, 9... possible, possible. I can do it.
Okay. Arif bhai can also make it at 9:30 on Thursday.
Yes, no problem.
Okay, I'll just update the thing. 9:30 to 11:30. It takes a little time to talk to everyone. Please spare some time because without this, we can't make the right decision.

Okay, Nesar bhai.
Okay.
Okay. There seems to be moderate temperature at your place today, your clothes today...
Oh no, the heater is running full blast in my house today. That's why I had to take off my robe. The heater has been on all night, it's still on. It's very cold outside. That's the situation.
We... I saw in a paper today that in our country, this century... winter will gradually disappear, it will be hot all the time, the heat will increase.
Yes, that's because of global warming. It will happen.
Hmm hmm.
Heat is better, winter is not that good. You can't even turn on the AC in winter.
No, sir, heat is very difficult for a poor country like ours.
Yes. Russell bhai, I need to talk to you about another thing, that is... this networking issue, we want to sit and discuss it.
Of course.
The guy who works with us, he asked if we could... on any day... I mean, if he comes to your office by 5:30 or 6, would that be possible for you? It won't take long, maybe half an hour, or we can meet online. At 6.
Yes, yes, we can meet online. I will just check with Milton bhai, if he is there at that time, there will be no problem. He will be there.
Okay. Then let me know about 6 o'clock. If not Thursday, then it can be Saturday. No problem.
Will I have to be there? Or is it okay if the two of them talk?
It's okay if the two of them talk, or I can also be there, no problem. You can...
They can... they... yes, I can't be there tomorrow. Milton bhai can be there tomorrow. If you set a time for tomorrow, Milton bhai can talk.
Okay, then can you share Milton bhai's email address with me? Then I can...
Email meaning Gmail address?
Yes, yes, any email. Then I will add him to an invitation and...
I am sharing it with you.
Then it will be better for me. So we need to test our load balancing.
Yes, yes, I am sharing it with you.
And if you have any questions, please knock me anytime. And we... our... that... our to-do list, on that list, there is a task for Arif bhai, which is to identify 20 competitor organizations for future work.

Okay, we are actually searching for that. We are trying to find the names of 20 potential ones. It will take some time.
Can I prepare a document for you where we can do it?
Yes, you can.
I will prepare a format for you. I mean a form... yes, it will be good if you give it.
Okay. Okay, no problem. I'll do that and email it to you. And thank you to both of you. If you feel that any correction is needed from my side or if you want to add anything to this, please...
Sure, sure.
Okay. Then, Russell bhai, Arif bhai, thank you. We will talk in the morning tomorrow, God willing. And thank you very much. Have a nice evening.
Assalamualaikum.
Thank you, Nesar bhai.
Welcome. Thank you.
Yes.
Assalamualaikum.
Welcome.

Yes. Arif bhai. We... So we have just interviewed two people. So what I feel... what... hello...
Okay. Raju, you can leave if you want.
Okay, sir.
Okay. Okay, thank you.

Raju is probably working from home today, right?
Yes.
I can hear some background noise. Okay. So, our... we... what we can do is... this... these questioners... I'm actually asking for your suggestion, should we share it with your team beforehand for their preparation, or do you want to ask them the raw questions to see their instant replies and to understand their depth and knowledge?
From the two interviews, based on the responses that came... I think if we share it a little, then they can prepare their presentation a bit better for you. Sometimes, what happens is... with unexpected questions... I might know the answer but can't answer you. That kind of thing happens. So if they get a little preparation, it might be better.
Assalamualaikum, Nesar bhai. I joined a bit late. No problem. Anyway, I agree with what Arif bhai said because, for them... their communication... talking with you... I think they are getting a little... what is it called... unconscious or feeling a bit shaky. So, if they know what kind of questions... even if you don't share the exact questions, but what topics you want to know about, if you share that, it would be better for them to prepare.
Okay. And it will be easier for you to understand their view, their depth.
That's why I asked you two. Now, actually, what level they are at or what their situation is, to know that, the questions are needed. Although we are asking the same questions, there's no change in that. But still, the same questions have to be asked. When we assess, we ask everyone the same questions. Why? Because our goal is what we will do in the future. Our goal is AI, full-stack development, these two. Now, plus, there should be no problem with the current JARV. If we want to cover these three domains, I need to know which employees are more forward-thinking, which employees want to learn, which employees have the potential to learn in these two domains.
Exactly, exactly.
So, I will share a separate list of these questions with both of you. So, I think if you share that link with them, then what will happen is they can prepare a little.
Okay.
Okay. I'll just... I need a second. I copied it. I'm putting it in the message here. And I'm also putting it on WhatsApp, in our group. So, my... after talking with these two, what I understood is that each one has their own strengths, which you have told me before, that each person has their own strengths. But if we want to combine their strengths, that is possible, to bring someone into multitasking. That is definitely possible because that's what's happening globally now. And if we can't do that, then we will have an issue with resource optimization, our costs will be higher. I am already working on the documentation that was shared with me, and what I saw is that just the salary costs around 2 crore taka. Just the salary, yearly. Now, there are many other things here. You are given food, you have specific travel and other things for some people. So if those are considered, then it means we are making a huge investment. Now, against this investment, investing is good, not bad, but against it, are we being able to add value or not, that is the question. Now, if we can't add that value, then definitely the business people will not continue this initiative for long. If it were me, I wouldn't do it either.
Right.
So, in that case, my specific target will be to assess everyone and create a right framework. That exactly... and I also noticed that I... if I go into your roles, I'm just sharing this with you, I haven't shared it with anyone else yet. Because I will be working with you, I'm sharing it with you. That at the same level, there are six people. At the same level where six people are, among them, if I put Said bhai at the very top, out of the... out of the levels, then there are five people. And among these five people, everyone is a project manager, and as project managers, they are managing projects in different domains. And in your salary structure, what I saw in that structure is that those who are at the top level and those who are at the mid-level or bottom level, there is a huge difference in their structures, in the salary structure. I have also seen that people working at the same level, it seems there is a salary differentiation among them as well. So, these things, I am pointing them out, they will be in my report. So, we have to minimize these things nicely, that actually how we can make the team more proactive, cut down costs, and move towards earning. My main job is how we can start earning. And to do that, whatever is needed, Javed sir has already told me. But still, if I don't work nicely with you, then I won't be able to achieve it.
Right, right. Right. Agreed.
Okay. So, I wanted to sit with you two separately tomorrow. I will do some more work today. To sit separately and come to an... I mean, some understanding... to give some understanding to you and to get some understanding myself. So, tomorrow our meeting will start at 10. Right? So if it starts at 10, if we can sit a little earlier, if we can sit a little earlier...
Nesar bhai, what's the Bangladesh time?
Bangladesh time is now, for example, it's 11:41 here. So what time is it in Bangladesh now?
5:41.
5:41.
So at 4 o'clock.
Yes. So we...
I can't make it tomorrow at 4 o'clock, Nesar bhai. I won't be able to.
Okay. Then can we meet the day after tomorrow, on Wednesday?
Thursday.
No, tomorrow is Wednesday, the day after is Thursday.
Yes, yes. The day after tomorrow is Thursday.
On Thursday, at the same time?
On Thursday, for example, we will have the interviews from 10 o'clock. If we can sit at 9?
Or 9:30 is also fine.
Yes, yes, 9... possible, possible. I can do it.
Okay. Arif bhai can also make it at 9:30 on Thursday.
Yes, no problem.
Okay, I'll just update the thing. 9:30 to 11:30. It takes a little time to talk to everyone. Please spare some time because without this, we can't make the right decision.
Okay, Nesar bhai.
Okay.
Okay. There seems to be moderate temperature at your place today, your clothes today...
Oh no, the heater is running full blast in my house today. That's why I had to take off my robe. The heater has been on all night, it's still on. It's very cold outside. That's the situation.
We... I saw in a paper today that in our country, this century... winter will gradually disappear, it will be hot all the time, the heat will increase.
Yes, that's because of global warming. It will happen.
Hmm hmm.
Heat is better, winter is not that good. You can't even turn on the AC in winter.
No, sir, heat is very difficult for a poor country like ours.
Yes. Russell bhai, I need to talk to you about another thing, that is... this networking issue, we want to sit and discuss it.
Of course.
The guy who works with us, he asked if we could... on any day... I mean, if he comes to your office by 5:30 or 6, would that be possible for you? It won't take long, maybe half an hour, or we can meet online. At 6.
Yes, yes, we can meet online. I will just check with Milton bhai, if he is there at that time, there will be no problem. He will be there.
Okay. Then let me know about 6 o'clock. If not Thursday, then it can be Saturday. No problem.
Will I have to be there? Or is it okay if the two of them talk?
It's okay if the two of them talk, or I can also be there, no problem. You can...
They can... they... yes, I can't be there tomorrow. Milton bhai can be there tomorrow. If you set a time for tomorrow, Milton bhai can talk.
Okay, then can you share Milton bhai's email address with me? Then I can...
Email meaning Gmail address?
Yes, yes, any email. Then I will add him to an invitation and...
I am sharing it with you.
Then it will be better for me. So we need to test our load balancing.
Yes, yes, I am sharing it with you.
And if you have any questions, please knock me anytime. And we... our... that... our to-do list, on that list, there is a task for Arif bhai, which is to identify 20 competitor organizations for future work.
Okay, we are actually searching for that. We are trying to find the names of 20 potential ones. It will take some time.
Can I prepare a document for you where we can do it?
Yes, you can.
I will prepare a format for you. I mean a form... yes, it will be good if you give it.
Okay. Okay, no problem. I'll do that and email it to you. And thank you to both of you. If you feel that any correction is needed from my side or if you want to add anything to this, please...
Sure, sure.
Okay. Then, Russell bhai, Arif bhai, thank you. We will talk in the morning tomorrow, God willing. And thank you very much. Have a nice evening.
Assalamualaikum.
Thank you, Nesar bhai.
Welcome. Thank you.
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