And this is the first conversation. We will have a series of more conversations with you. Okay? Inshallah. Inshallah, Inshallah. Arif sir is giving this matter a lot of importance. Arif sir is giving it a lot of importance, you see? For this reason, we actually want this conversation to start. Yes? And for this reason, seven of our people are waiting. You will start. Yes, brother. And we spoke with many people. If you would kindly tell me your name. My name is Jakawat Uddin Ahmed. It starts with a Z, right? Yes, yes, yes. Okay, wait. Jakawat Uddin Ahmed. I think your name was missing before. Actually, what I am, I am not a traditional employee myself. Not a so-called employee. Because I am an external employee of Nipro JMI Pharma. I see. Actually, I work here as an in-between for MononSoft, then Nipro JMI Pharma, or Unido. Yes? I see. So, your name, could you spell it out for me? Z A K A H W A T H. Jakawat. Uddin, U D D I N. Uddin. Ahmed, A H M E D. Okay, Jakawat Uddin Ahmed. Okay. I am creating the sheet. Okay. Um... What is your role? Here, my designation is Data Analyst, and my job scope is different. When I joined here, I joined for three months, and that was for master data collection, yes. For collecting the master data of Nipro JMI Pharma, yes. Because pharmaceutical data is not your usual data, yes. Because for just one procurement, you have a certificate of analysis, an analytical report sheet, yes, its measurement, the measuring layering is different. Supplier, manufacturer, I mean, then the second manufacturer, product, finished goods manufacturer, everyone's analysis is different, yes? But there is a base. There has to be a similarity. These coordinations or understandings, or the main thing is, I consider a software as an engine. And to run it, the master data that is needed, that master data works a lot like a wheel or a road, it works like a road. Your engine has to run, right? That's the work I have mainly done. I see. How do you, um, what do you do, collect the data or how do you implement it? The thing is, the program analysts or managers who were here, they had already prepared the tables, yes? The forms, the tables, the scripts were prepared, yes? So, the matter of developing this script or making it suitable for the institution's needs, and the master data that was needed to run it according to the table or demand, yes, those things. My thing is, you think of the coordination between the two parties as the main thing, coordination. Work is never difficult. I never think of work as difficult. Not me, no one should. What's difficult is people. No, I am asking you how you collect the data. You, that, the related things. For example, let's start from the beginning, that product I told you about, for a product, there's the analysis part, if you want to do analysis or create finished goods from it, the raw materials I need... Hello. I'm here, I'm here. I just turned off the camera, my ear is a bit uncomfortable, that's why my ear is itching. That's why I... Okay, okay, it's okay, it's okay. Okay. For example, my QC, Quality Control, general QC, Quality Control department, yes? Or what do you call it, my Microbiology department or my Compliance, these segments, these departments... The work these divisions will do, yes? Their involvement with my product, from the start to the end of a finished good, whoever has involvement wherever. For example, a BOM of mine is being created, yes? In this pharma of ours, I have 248 master products. Yes. Here I have 864 finished goods. Yes. Here, think about one thing here. My master products are 248, my finished goods are 864. So the difference here is almost 616. This mapping of the 616 master products has changed. It's changing in the semi-finished goods stage. Now, come to this. That means my variation is high. My demand is high. My raw material has arrived, my QC is happening, GQC is happening, microbiology is happening. Now my molecular biology is happening, these layerings, the QC ones... Everyone's demand or quality checking is also different. Yes. This checking, what will it be, what will the specification be, what is the demand, let's take a simple matter. Let me take one of my packing materials. My, what do you call it, inner carton. Suppose an inner carton has 24 specifications. Okay. This specification, again, they have what you call an international GMP guideline, yes? There is an ISO guideline. Then again, their internal one also has a matter of certification, what do you call it. That means, with the coordination of three things, my specification, the form, the appendix, yes, my, what do you call it, aligning it, collecting those numbers from them... setting the specifications in the proper place and training them and getting the work understood from them. Firstly, the work I'm doing is, I am understanding it from my program manager. After understanding, I'm going to them, they are taking things from them. I am working myself, getting the work done by them and implementing the work. If you are, you are implementing it in the ERP, right? Yes. You are implementing in the ERP. You are implementing in Zarp. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay. That's fine. We will have more continuous conversations, more in-depth. So, we, who do you report to? Me, now come to this, my reporting, all the managers here, be it the sales module, material management, FICO, or in the future very shortly HRM is coming, Inshallah. HRM, we, I, I actually report to everyone. I report to Arif sir. I am Rasel Ibne Bashar, yes. Since I am not a traditional employee. Okay, so that means CTO, all other PMs, and IT manager. IT manager, yes. Okay. Today's date is 6/12/25 In this role, just say MononSoft or JMI, how many years have you been here? I have been here for two years. Two years. Did someone else do this job two years ago? Did you replace someone? No, no, no. Didn't I tell you, they created Zarp, created the ERP, yes? But I created the wheel to run it. Okay. You did that. That means, all the departments of JMI, of Nipro JMI or JMI, all the departments that have interconnectivity with Zarp, you have collected data from every stakeholder and incorporated it with the developer. Yes, yes, yes. Okay. This is your job. Okay. Okay, we will talk about some technical skills and some behavioral skills here. Although the whole thing might not be relevant to you. Okay? But why won't it be relevant, because your job is different. For that reason, it won't be relevant. But we will just ask the questions here. And if I can find relevance from the things you've said, I will sit with you again after this. Inshallah, Inshallah. Okay? So, for technical skills, we will rate between one to five. One is starting and five is expert. Okay? And we will talk about behavioral skills, then we will talk about career development opportunities. Since in the future we will nurture the team plus we will think about training or other things. So, who we will train and how, or how they will be more productive, our main specific goal is to reduce running costs so that we can plus increase the employees' productivity. Because if employee productivity doesn't increase, running costs won't decrease. Okay? So we will do that. So, in terms of skills, in your past experience or your education line, did you study in the software engineering line or some other line? I studied in the general line. My subject was management. I see, you studied management. Then... Let me tell you the definition of management. Getting things done through other people and resources, I know how to. Okay, that's great. So, in this case, since you are now included in a software development project. Okay? In that case, do you have any idea about back-end or front-end development? It would be wrong to say I have none at all. I have a basic idea, although we are old-fashioned, very old people. Actually, before this, I was in the banking sector for 15 years. Okay. And there, the first ICT audit happened by my hands, that's the first thing. And the software implementation that happened there, it first happened in the local office, the biggest branch, I was the main coordinator for that too. Okay. No, that's what I'm saying... Before that, before that, let me tell you another thing, another thing. That is, before this, I worked as an IT-enabled service manager, where I had 18 franchises. I was in total charge of that. Total coordination, managing, explaining the work to them, understanding the work, billing, everything happened through my hands. Okay. Okay. Now, okay, that's fine. These questions, I, I don't think they are very relevant to you. But if I still ask you to rate, in terms of understanding front-end or back-end development, not in terms of development, since you work with these things, in terms of understanding, how much would you rate yourself? Actually, for Zarp, I will say five. I see. If it's not Zarp? If it's not Zarp, I will understand according to that. Since I know the languages here or what role everyone has or how they play it. I haven't really gone beyond that yet. It's difficult to say because we don't lack languages. Yes, yes, that's true. You don't work with languages, in fact. You work with data. No, no, no. Here, for example, I know who is working with which language and how, yes? Who is working with API, who is looking at the front end, who is looking at the back end, who is working on the database, who is designing, who is creating the form, if I know who to contact, which job will get done, I have to understand this. Otherwise, I myself won't be able to work. But I'm specifically asking you that, in terms of actual coding, you don't have that kind of knowledge. But you have knowledge in data management. It would be wrong to say I don't know coding. My life started with coding. For example, when dBase was popular, notice, think about the first thing about dBase, there was dBase then. If you wanted to create a color, you have to write about zero to 255. You will code, to code you have to, think about it. My first steps were with coding. Do you remember back in 1990, sorry, in '88, when the first IBM brand machine came to Bangladesh. Its memory was 2 megabytes, the hard disk was 2 megabytes. Its monitor was 6 inches. No, I don't remember, because I was in school then. Anyway, congratulations. My SSC was in '95. Alhamdulillah, no problem. No problem. Anyway, you all are very experienced, you know a lot. That time is not really a barrier. Today's boys are, what, we are nothing compared to them. The modern ones, they are nothing. They know a lot, they know a lot about the past, a lot about the future. They are very focused. No, no, knowledge, your knowledge, there are many things I don't know that you know. So, the thing about knowledge is like this, that in your expertise, you will know well. I will know well in my expertise. Like me, my concept is like this, work is not an issue, work is not a matter. Work is a simple matter. What's difficult is people. Okay. No, that's fine. Do you have any idea about API development or integration? The people you work with? How so? Could you elaborate a bit? How do they work with API? For example, since you are a data analyst, you might often think about how data will be captured from different systems into one system or how the data will come. Do you think about that? Or do you not? I see. If you have, then API, the API is, even if you don't establish the integration, to make the API work, do you have any... For this, I have no direct involvement, no. Okay. You can consider it zero. I see. Do you have any idea about databases? No, no, actually technically, just give me 'no' for everything, give me 'no'. Without asking the next question, if it's technical, you just say no. I see. Okay. No, I'm still asking the questions. Yes, no, it's okay. I am still asking the questions. Do you have any idea about DevOps? Tell me, tell me. About DevOps? No, no. The thing about DevOps is the work we do like server maintenance, project upload to the cloud and Docker, CI, CD, all these things. Okay. No, here for example they discuss, they want to work with the cloud. I see these things, I hear them. Okay, fine. I am the building base. I see. Do you have any idea about system architecture? This, when Windows architecture was introduced... No, not Windows. I mean our software architecture could be any kind of architecture. But for example, Zarp architecture. Since you work with every team, that means if you don't know or understand the system architecture well, then how the data will go from one place to another, that coordination is often obstructed. So for that reason, what we do, those who are system analysts, we train them up on system architecture. Not here, let me tell you something. The master plan for this was made by our old CFO sir from JMI who has left. This master plan is in his hands. For this reason, many things still, he joined somewhere else a few days ago, so for this reason actually here, even the managers, even Arif sir, they are all dominated by him. Okay. So for that reason, that's okay, that's not a problem. We can change jobs, we can leave. Okay? That's not a problem. So, this is why we are intervening so that, suppose in the future, someone from our team leaves, our system is not obstructed because of them. So that there is a fallback plan. Yes. So to make that forward plan, Javed sir has brought us in. So that in the future, the developments happen nicely plus the work we are doing, we have to reverse engineer it now. By doing reverse engineering, bringing the whole work to a, I mean, a certain state. I mean, bringing it to a strong foundation. That's why we are saying these things. We will work with you. Sir, will this go to the factory level? Will you go to Nipro's factory level or that as well? We will go slowly, Inshallah. Yes. Because our whole thing is about automation. Now if we automate and have to reduce our production cost, then there is no way other than automation. In terms of production cost, the big production is happening at Nipro Pharma Pharma, yes? That's why I'm saying. We will. What we are mainly working on is fixing the basic things first. Then slowly adding things. Because if I don't fix it at the root, the things that are built on that mistake will also be wrong. Okay? So, for that reason, it doesn't work. That won't be right. It will be even more wrong. Then it will be seen that this investment that Javed sir has made, the huge amount of money he invested, crores of money he invested, that thing will become completely valueless. So now we... Which one? Are you talking about Zarp? I mean, I'm talking about the total systematic build, Zarp, everything together. No, no, in the case of Zarp, I must say one thing. A simple matter. Zarp has made such a fast thing with so few resources that I don't believe you can bring another thing like it in the market. No, no, that thing... I understand your point, but for this, we still have nothing. What do we have that's original? We work on Oracle, do we have any original version of Oracle, any subscribed things, what do we have? Do we have anything in the office, what original thing do we have? Look at our laptops, our machines don't work properly, they hang, do this, do that, our machines are not right either. We have come to fix these things. Now, come to this, let me tell you a small case study. Yes, tell me. That is, a company in Germany, I won't tell you the details point by point. The case study was like this, that a company with a great reputation, widely, what do you call it, market dominating, had very good production but had less manpower, low salary, fewer facilities, old-fashioned machines, there was nothing modern. So a big company came and targeted them to capture their market. The thing was built right next to them, high-tech technology, all machinery is state-of-the-art, the people are very trained, they brought everyone but couldn't get close to them. Later, some talented people like you were appointed to analyze this, why they couldn't get close to them. Despite having everything, high remuneration, high resources, high-tech things, trained, later it was seen after analysis that they said it was due to only the harmonious environment. The owner is very good, he mixes with them cordially and the employees are also very good, they... work... To make them work on this thing, what they did, at one point they reduced the salary, they saw the output was the same. They reduced the light, light, reduced the light, still saw the output was the same. There was no hamper in their production, everything was fine for them. Later they found out the result was due to the harmonious environment. I told you this because we are working in a harmonious environment. Due to our Arif sir, due to our colleagues. They are doing work like anything. No, no, that's right. The heart of a company is its employees. Those who are in leadership positions, they grow because of the employees. No, of course. Whether they are good or bad, I will not judge that. I will judge it as a machine. Because a company is a machine. In that machine, the head... whether he is knowledgeable or not, whether he works well or not, all the equipment, tires, I mean from the tires to whatever a machine has, if I consider a car, if everything coordinates properly, then it can go very far. If it doesn't, that's when the problem arises. So in that case, that's why, since Javed sir is a very wise person, so we will try to see how this thing can be made better. I forgot to ask one thing last time, when you mentioned computers, I didn't know this before. So I will request, I have received some specifications for the server, but I will go into investigation for it again next week. So the PCs you use or the laptops you use, a specification for it, whatever the specification is for each person, if you can give it to me in the column you have, then I will talk about it. That I will actually see how much ahead or behind you are in proportion to now. I don't give any decisions, I just assess and say that our this... No, no, I told you the result, that from two companies it was found that despite so many things, despite so much technology, they couldn't do it, because of the harmonious environment. The owners are good, the workers are good, they work like a family. And nothing else. That's what I said. So, in the Excel document you have, if you add a specification for each person's system, I mean the laptops they use or the PCs they use, the document that Arif bhai has, then I will see that for example, you are an analyst... what your PC should be, I will then suggest that a system analyst's PC should be of this type. If it's not, then despite having productivity, their work will not progress, because due to technical or technological gaps. Sure. Thank you. Because suppose you are a mastermind, you can work at the speed of light. Now brother, how will you work at the speed of light if your PC is creaking... We have so much work going on, think about the condition of our server. We have so much work going on. Yesterday, on the last date, even on Thursday, the data card went down. Yes? Then it came back to the previous state. Meaning, the load on the data card has increased. These some technical things, we are not what we should be according to our logistic support. No, we will work on that, Inshallah, no problem. I believe it, I believe it. And what you said, about Chairman sir or MD sir. He is the MD of Unido, our Nipro's chairman, sir and he is our boss, the main boss, the main person. He is really dynamic, he is really wise, for this reason, we are waiting to see by which measure he will evaluate us. No, Inshallah, and we, you probably know that we will work together. My company and MononSoft. So, we hope for the best. Because, for example, I am in the UK or we work in the USA. In the world, the first, I mean the first two countries, first the US comes then the UK comes. Okay? From here, if we can't do something good, if we can't capture this market, then it won't work. So to do that, whatever needs to be done, Inshallah we will do, no problem. Okay. Let me tell you a funny thing. I asked my younger brother's wife, "Well, you are a KFC manager in America, you see a lot of people. Tell me, are Americans intelligent or Bengalis?" She said, "Bengalis." I asked, "How is that possible?" She said, "Bengalis know their multiplication tables, Americans don't." I am the KFC manager, no one gets a chance with me, not a single penny's chance. Because I learned multiplication tables in my childhood. There is a gap here. What is the gap? That is, we, after learning so many things, you know the saying "too many cooks spoil the broth", our characteristic is often like that. Since I have, you could say, spent half of my life in Bangladesh, and half of my life in the UK. So, it is seen that this, if I talk about my son, he studies in class eight, he has no textbooks. Okay? He goes to school. In school, they teach him biology, they teach him math, they teach him chemistry, they teach him cooking. He can bake well plus whatever else is there, they teach English, they teach pronunciation. But that is limited to the school's eight to two, within this eight to two. At home, he comes home and he, I mean, he can do things that I can't. In which country? Bangladesh or England? No, no, he is in the UK. So, coming home, he comes home and he, I mean, he can do things I can't. If I talk about technology. So, what we do, they are teaching him everything and it's practical there. Not memorization. Here they teach multiplication tables, here they teach multiplication tables. They teach in such a way that we haven't learned. I now think that if I had learned the way my son is learning, then in the things where I am very excellent, no one could have suppressed me. Okay? So, working with these people, and we go to different organizations, going to different organizations, we work with people from those organizations. So then it is seen that I am working with the Bangladesh organization, working with the UK organization, one difference is that here, for example, they grow what you are excellent at more, or we also, I will grow what you are excellent at. I won't catch or see what you are bad at. Why? Because I don't need that. What happened, baba? What is she doing? She's walking around, and I don't know what she's doing. Let Nanna do it. There's no problem, you go. I am in a meeting. She is at the door for something. Let her be at the door, whatever. Nanna can stay. You go. Okay. My mother-in-law stays with us. So... She walks around or does things, many plus, a bit, 74 I think is her age. But anyway, you go, go and watch TV, go. Go. Let Nanna do her work. I will deal with Nanna later, okay? Mother, you finish with the toilet and then pray. I will finish my meeting and give you breakfast, go. You just go to the toilet, keep these here. I am setting it up. So, what I was saying is that this gap, this gap often, if we don't work with internal people, it's not possible to understand. Because a food store and specifically a, what do you call it, technological innovation or university or these kinds of things, there is a world of difference. So there, when a client goes or when an environment is created, it's totally dependent on the environment. A certain type of people will definitely go to a food store. They might have talent, they might have many things, but the people who are working at this corporate level, they don't have the same flair. Why am I saying this? Because I have worked at the lower level, I have worked at the mid-level. Now I am working at the upper level. So I have seen all the systematic things. I worked in a hospital for a long 12 years. Okay? As a, you know, I worked as a healthcare assistant. You said it, I know, I was in that meeting. I see. So, I see work as work, but from there, if I have that, if I have talent, I will definitely take myself to the corporate level. I won't stay at that level. No, here in MononSoft, there is no shortage of glaring examples of this. Because here, if someone, I mean if someone gets angry, if someone gets upset, they just leave and wherever they go, they go with a three times higher salary. Yes. This, this is there. Here in MononSoft, this is not a matter. Here it's a common thing. If someone gets angry, they leave and when they leave, they go with a three times higher salary. No, no, that's right. So this, but they come back regularly, how do they come back, they come, they come regularly, they chat. This environment, the harmonious environment I was talking about, they missed it. Wherever they go, they get money but they miss the environment. Here everyone keeps in regular contact and comes. No, it's okay. Someone came yesterday too. Let's get back to our, what do you call it, questionnaire. Do you have any idea about debugging or troubleshooting? Okay, let's not talk about debugging. The thing about troubleshooting, here I'll talk about some configurable matters. Like in material management or production planning, PTP, yes, in these places... and in FICO, in all places some configurable things work, yes? There, this configurable thing, in that case, the matter of troubleshooting comes up. That it's giving this output, it shouldn't be happening. Yes? If this happens, it will work, so I will go there and fix it. Troubleshooting has to be done. That's a good point. Now if we talk about troubleshooting, how much will you give yourself in troubleshooting? Five out of five. Fine. Okay. Document analysis and understanding, if I say in your case. Document... If you say documenting, what kind of document, could you elaborate a bit? What kind of document, since you work with data, right? For example, you brought data from one department, data from another department, you will coordinate the two and match them. Now if you don't understand the document, you won't be able to match it without looking, plus you can't tell the developer that this department runs this way, these are their data, this department runs this way, these are their data. But you... Let me give you an example. GQC, the second-in-command of the General Quality Control department, the assistant manager, Mr. Masud, he asked me if my background is in microbiology. Why? Because I was giving him an idea about microbiology. Yes. Okay. I mean the matter is like this. Am I clear? Yes. No, it's okay. This microbiology, I understand documentation quite well. Because I have to enter it into the system after understanding these things from them. Suppose 248 master products have been entered, they have been entered by my hands. Yes. Alhamdulillah. Here, this, for example, your 700, what do you call it, 894 FGs have been entered by our hands, this one. Not just that, here QC, your excipient, there is API here too. There is Active Pharmaceutical Ingredient, there is excipient, then there is packing material, primary packing material, secondary packing material, here too there are thousands of cases. Here, these 3500 products' specifications, if you take 10 to 12 for each on average, you do the math. All of this has been entered by our hands, by my hands. Very complex. I see. Yes. So how much will you give yourself in terms of documentation? Have to understand. Five. If I don't understand, the result will be bad from the root. That's what I'm saying. That work won't progress. We will now talk about behavioral skills. In time management, how much will you rate yourself? Time management? Should I talk about the past or the present? Current. I come to the office before everyone else. Okay. So how much will you give yourself? Five. Okay. Regarding communication, how is your English or Bengali communication? If needed, I haven't settled yet. Alhamdulillah, I can manage. In the perspective of Bangladesh, I will give five, because I am not a foreigner, I am Bangladeshi. You will give five in both? Yes, of course. Alhamdulillah. Okay. Um... And here, interpersonal skills are very important for us who work on management, we have to work with everyone with understanding. That's why I've been saying from the beginning, work has never seemed difficult to me. What seems difficult to me is people. Then how to mix with which person... how to get by, how to take the work and how to put pressure on them, it is very difficult to do that. Teamwork and collaboration, since you are talking about that... Alhamdulillah, five, five, five, five. I see. Ownership of task. The ownership, I, in which perspective are you saying this, if you could tell me, ownership... Say it in the context of your work. Meaning, do I own my work? Yes. Oh, everyone gets annoyed. I see. That means you are persistent. Let me tell you about today's meeting. I have protested about today's meeting. Why did a 3 o'clock meeting start at 4? When the topic came up, I said this is official, not personal. You cannot ask why a 3 o'clock meeting started at 4. Of course, you have to ask. No, I'm saying why a 3 o'clock meeting is at 4, it's official and official time. Why are you asking, for what reason? It's not a personal matter, the official decision was changed for official reasons. I don't need to understand why. You are doing your work, do it. The official procedure changed, it's a managerial decision. It's not a subordinate level matter, it's a managerial decision, a managerial matter. No, that can change. That can change. So how much will you give yourself in ownership? Alhamdulillah, five. Because what it is, if I don't own something, if you don't own something, nothing will be good for you. No, no, that won't happen. This is at everyone's level, if at everyone's level they own their own thing, then it's possible to grow. Otherwise, it will be seen that I am owning it but the person I am associated with, if they don't own it, I will fail. Simple. You have to own it, it's a must. Otherwise, the quality won't be good either. No. Problem-solving skills. Alhamdulillah, very good. Okay. How much will you give? Five, five, five. Nothing less. Learning initiative. Very good. Okay. You are giving five on this one. Okay. Adaptability. Alhamdulillah, very good. All your questions seem to be made for me, don't they? Okay. No, it's the same question for everyone. Then very good, five. Okay. We are now going to have a conversation, we will have it in English, to understand English levels, as well as your understanding of English. Sure, sure, sure. Why not? So, which parts of your role do you feel you are strongest in? I am feeling which part? You know, I can create the interpersonal relationship between peoples. That I can understand the work, I can own the work. I think this is my special quality. Okay. Which parts of your role do you struggle with? Struggle with. Sometimes, to support the working people, several times, same thing, feel mentally disturbed. But I controlled myself. Okay. What skills would you like to improve over the next 6 to 12 months? Oh, 6 to 12, I just dreaming about the JARP. It will be completed within 12 months. Your skills, not JARP, your skills. Of course, of course. JARP equal to my skill. HRM will be completed, I will be expert in HRM. FICO will be completed, I will be expert in FICO. I think only about the JARP now, right now. I am focusing on the JARP, nothing else. Okay. How confident are you working across the full-stack environment? Alhamdulillah, fine. Very fine. Okay. What slows you down in your current data analytic role? Sorry again? What slows you down in your current analytic role? Manpower and time. Manpower and time. Okay. What new technologies or tools do you want to learn? Ah, AI, definitely AI. Okay. What type of task or responsibilities would you like more? Very difficult to say. Quantify. Okay. Um, do you have right resource and documentation to perform your work? Right resources and documentation? What kind of right resources and documentation? The related to your work. Whatever, what you do. Uh, no, no, no. Think about that. Uh, according to our previous CFO sir and the project manager designed the program. They are working according to their forms and giving me the master data requirement. I collect it from the field source and institution and input them. Uh, proper documentation? I have a lot of confusion about it. Proper documentation, there should be a distinguished documentation. If you ask me about the OQPQ, AQ, there is no OQPQ. Okay. But what... here, here, have to mention one thing especially, that is JARP is not completed. Think we are working the institution, along with among the institution, we are working, they are our development partner. Yes. They are our development, especially Nipro JMI Pharma, they are our development partner. JARP is not completed, but we are working with them. They are working with us. They are development partners. Here the documentation, task is not completed, documentation is not completed. Okay. Okay, that's fantastic. So, do you think that if we complete the documentation, that will be a stronger position for us, or if we don't complete the documentation, what type of mishap we would have in the future? Without documentation, you need to share, a proper, uh, this product, JARP will not completed without documentation. This is not possible. You have to have the recognition, you have to have the documentation, you must. It has no alternate. So, from your perspective, uh, we must finalize the documentation and then we would see the end. If you want to, uh, think about in a page you are writing in the first line, then second line, then third line, again you are entering another line in the second, another line in the fourth, another line in the fifth, one after another, your line is not completed, definite. You can't say this is the first line. First line is, this is volatile. At this, at this moment, you can't complete the documentation. Two things I wanted to discuss with you. I know that, uh, talking with due to my understanding and due to my work with you, understand, yes, we need documentation, we will do that. In relation with the unregistered or unlicensed version, what is your concern about that? Unlicensed version. Unlicensed version of the database, the Oracle database. What is your concern? Think, one thing, uh, this is unlicensed version, it's true, but another segment is we are, the Oracle institution is declared up to 19c is free. We can use the up to 19c version only, up to 19c. But after that, we can't use. But Oracle introduced the AI version. We are deprived from them. No, because we have subscribed. Yeah. Few things that... Oracle is a tremendous, tremendous DB and tremendous, uh, also expensive also, Oracle also is expensive and tremendous. But we are deprived of this sort of facilities. Because, um, you know, Windows or all, all any, any applications, they have an earlier version and they have a newer version. So, what they do, uh, they, uh, prioritize it for people, they don't have money, so you can use it, but that's free, but you can't get the cream. Old version, they will never maintain a particular way, uh, to support those things. If there is a problem in database structure or anything happened, then they are not going to fix it because they, they don't worry about that. In another thing, uh... not the latest version will make you updated. You need a also a training. You must have, have to have the development point without target and point and the course and the logistic support, all of will make you the... If someone without the... with his own capacity, if someone learn something, that is the also development of the JARP. Yes. If you give me some sort of training and courses, it will reaches the JARP. Am I... You will... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so I totally understand what you're saying and what you are coming from. But that's, that's fine. We are creating a versatile workflow for JMI or MononSoft. We will have a to complete the current version 0.1. We will have a global roadmap that we will work on specifically some methodology, uh, to extend JARP to global market. As well as we will have, um, training facilities, career development facilities for AI and DevOps. In this scenario, where do you fit in? You know, first we have to register, without registration, without recommendation, without government clearance, we cannot move on, uh, cross-border. We can make the deal with the cross-border. That's the thing is the process that we will go through with the process, it doesn't matter. But I ask you, I asked you, where do you fit in? Current JARP or global roadmap or career development. Inshallah, JARP will dominate in the Bangladesh also, out of the Bangladesh, cross-border of the Bangladesh. You know, 13 country, we are exporting products in 13 countries. First, we have a, I mean we have 13 friends who will, we will eagerly waiting for the JARP. They are waiting for the JARP. After completing the JARP, it will, they are another platform to work on JARP. Am I right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm saying that where do you fit in? In the version 0.1, global roadmap, or in, um, AI and... Both, both, both in the, in the Bangladesh, also in the global. I am thinking with the first, out of the circle, I am thinking first the 13 countries, our exporting 13 countries. Okay. Um, that's the end of my questions. Do you have any question for me? Oh, if you don't mind, your left eye is smaller. Is there any problem? That's due to my brain tumor surgery. Oh, okay, okay, sorry, sorry, sorry. So that's, uh, I had a brain tumor surgery in 2009 and due to that, um, I'm left, my left side is weak, I'm deaf, and other complications. I have, I have lots of, hundreds of other complications, but that's not... that's not, that's why, uh, I'm very strong in the, in training teams and creating new things. Disabilities, atmosphere, and all other things should not bind you to do great work. If you are great, if you have great knowledge, if someone helps you to overcome your barriers, you can do great work. Yeah, but... Last of all, not only me, also we eagerly waiting for your very good news which will improve us. First, we thought that you will give us a huge AI platform and training and a lot of key things to work on it. Yes, definitely, Inshallah, we will, we will work together now. I am, I am also hopeful that you will give us a lot of high, high configured system. I will talk about it to Javed bhai, so don't worry. But I need to... server, also server, also system, all things, hard things. Yeah, because, because I, I cannot give you, I can propose like, okay, this is the things they have. So they, they... Your positive attitude will... I am not demanding you, I hope, I hope, I am not demanding you. I will ask you, I will, I am just the person to present him my findings and he will take the decision, okay? He will take... I don't make decisions. I am just going to present the findings and show him like, okay, this is the their states and that you have to do this, you have to do this, you have to do. So if you do this one, you will gain this. If you don't do this one, you will lose this. So this is... Thank you, thank you. This, this is, a lot of us, this, this will a lot of us. Thank you, thanks a lot. So, let's bring the next person please. Sure, sure, sure. Uh, who, who, Mr. Nasimul. Our Nasimul. Okay. Yeah. Thank you, goodbye. Thank you, thank you, bye-bye. Thank you for your time. Assalamu Alaikum. Hello. How are you? Yes, Alhamdulillah. How are you? I am fine, Alhamdulillah. Okay, I'm just getting your... ...I'll just take the form. Nasimul Karim. Yeah. Okay, just give me a second.