method of transportation, that's fine. So 200 miles in a van equals this. Uh then we have another spreadsheet with the um processing data. So it will be 600 fill power, 0.3 kilos of CO2. Then we have another spreadsheet with treatments. So has it been treated, which fill power on the left, which treatment on the right. And then that table will give you another number. Then we have a transport on onwards. Um so that table on the left, it'll be um uh, weights and things and and then distances travelled. Yeah, et cetera, et cetera. Uh and then we have the the basically the database will will say it's the number from spreadsheet one, the number from spreadsheet two, three, four, and five. Add them together and that gives you a number.

Okay.

Yeah, and and then see they don't have part numbers or anything.

So these are the uh these are the batch number of the products going to different of their suppliers.

Yeah, so we we list all the variables. Um for each of the different components of the carbon footprint. And then, so when they if the customer selects, um uh, yeah, there are a myriad of of of issues. Um, but what we can do is stipulate, because, yeah, we're going to need to come up with a load of generalizations and stipulations that we can say, you know, like the a load of the the farms in one area ship by van to the collection center for consolidation. That is then shipped from the from from that location to the factory. So we can come up with a number for product coming from that region. Um, and then, so if on spreadsheet one it it's cell T126. On spreadsheet two, it's cell C110. Um we can number them so it will be C1496. And and and basically come up with a static um number of variables. Mhm. and a number for each of those variables. Um, yeah, that can be automated though, can't it?

Yeah.

Yeah. So if you have a drop down, so the first variable you put in where did where the feathers come from, it's like I'm presuming it won't be 500 farms, it will be like six collection centers. Mhm. Um and then um what what weight is it? It's 600 fill power, that and then that's another number. Then what treatment did it have? If it didn't have a treatment or if it had this treatment, that'll be a number. And then where did it go to? Um then you know, they don't ship anywhere and everywhere, it'll go to a DC. So the variables aren't that large. But we can come up with a um a part numbering, uh product identification system, which means that we can produce um a DPP output for every variable. And when when it's selected, um we can tie that to a batch.

Yes. But this batch is going to their product, isn't it? And their customer products.

Yeah, but it's just their product. So like their clients are going to be asking them for for granular detail. So we need to give them the solution so that um they can say, go through the drop downs, it's that factory, that um distribution center, blah, blah, blah and and populate a DPP um and provide that information to their client. Mhm. But we can automate that. It's just five different spreadsheets and and and um a system that will add the five numbers together.

Yeah.

And that comes up with an identifier. Then that identifier is linked to uh a batch number on track my down. Mhm. But they want, so I I've said to Matthew, we can have a portal on the DPP page which people can click on like we already have and and manually input the batch number into the the their website and it'll give them all the information. Um there's no way of automating that. Mhm. There there's because one batch uh one batch of feathers might go to five different clothing brands.

Yes.

Uh one thing I I need to ask, because they on their website they are uh they have uh purchase on the purchase link, they have given some of the products. Do they manufacture these products or this is their clients' products?

Yeah, they manufacture them but they partner in Japan.

Okay.

They're their own range.

Okay.

So these garments, so there's two things. One thing is that um uh they they have to have a DPP on their uh, you know, uh collective thing, and they have to have a DPP on their individual garments with their partners.

We're not dealing with the garments at this stage.

Okay.

What we're trying what we're trying to come up with, so we need to understand what their clients' requirements are going to be.

Yes.

And we need to give them a solution to fulfill any requests that come from their clients.

Yes, because if we if we get uh data from these five spreadsheets and it resonate to a uh QR code of the actual carbon footprint, then if it goes to five different clients and they have to utilize this same QR code and get the carbon footprint and add their footprint and then combination of these two will create the final um product-based uh QR code, like per SKU or per materials.

But the if we have a static number of variables, Mhm. uh, then we can we can pre-produce a QR code for every variable in theory.

Yeah.

Or a code for that variable. Um and then, yeah. Yeah, it's the whole traceability thing, what it comes down to is they want when someone scans a QR code for it to automatically take them through to the track my down bit and and auto populate the the data. But you would have to have a a QR code for every batch. And realistically um that's of no benefit, is it? So so Allied ship the feathers to the factory in Bangladesh for Canada Goose. Uh and if the legislation says that Can- Canada Goose will need a uh a DPP for the feathers from F&D, they can supply that. But the QR code isn't going to go in the garment. It'll be the the the garment will have its own DPP.

Yeah.

So it depends on what what the what their clients want, doesn't it?

Yeah, but another thing is that uh you know, it's it's similar like uh if you are doing uh textile product. So the textile mill's sourcing will be embedded to uh to the garment as well. So it's the same process, it's going to be the same process, isn't it? Like what's the footprint carbon footprint for textile garments uh to produce the actual uh fabric. And then that will be added to the garment's one, because they want that.

Yeah.

So it's the same thing, if it's a goose goose uh feather or if it's a if it is a hemp product or or cotton product, it's going to be the same thing.

Yeah, but the um that Carrie Lomas that I've been talking to, um that's doing the um organic cotton um traceability um project with um the UK Space Agency. Um, it's all about, so recording the DNA of the cotton so that um you can prove um the traceability and supply chain like using blockchain or whatever. But I I said to her, you know, it's all well and good, but um, in order to to prove that someone is is lying about the cotton that they've used, you'd have to get a DNA sample.

Yes.

A DNA test done. And and you know, it's all nonsense. So from a traceability perspective, I think we need to convince Matthew that yes, we can come up with an accurate number for every permutation. And but the traceability side of things is going to be led by their customers.

Yeah.

Because they aren't, Allied are't going to be their only supplier. They're going to have to, if they want traceability from farm to shop, then they need to specify the um mechanism that they want to use.

Yes, and that could be true and that could be false, but that's not the end of the world.

But we can't build something for him when, you know, when you buy a coat, the feathers inside it are just one part.

Yeah.

And and and you you can have traceability on those feathers. But if they've got the budget to build something, we can have a go.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because if they have an automated system with uh mobile apps and all those things, all the product they are uh they are passing from one point to another, we can have automated system in place, everything will be um by the book, automated.

Yeah.

But that's very expensive thing.

Yeah, yeah, totally. And and and realistically, unless that system um interacts with the client system, it's it's of no value. Because it's just the feathers in the coat.

Yes.

Or or maybe they are thinking to end their journey uh when they ship these this this feathers to their um clients or maybe uh they will have a, you know, um grip on their client as well, like okay, if you wanted to use our feathers, you need to pass us the traceability all those things. So we don't know uh how they will play their role with with them and with their products.

Yeah. So um when we speak to Matthew this afternoon, I think we we need to understand the process. So when on Track my down, they register batch numbers and put the information into their track my down database, not all their, they they might send a specific batch to five different brands.

Yes.

Those brands don't always use that track my down um site. batch data.

Yeah.

And and and activate the code. So realistically, if we come up with data for every connotation at which leads to a a product identifier code, which they can then when they produce a batch, they can marry that up to the product identification code, which which will give them the environmental DPP data. Um, and that's it.

Yeah, it's it's a long long process I think. They cannot do uh they cannot do everything uh of their own. They have to depend on the different type of suppliers, uh different type of partners, and if they wanted to combine all those together, it will be a massive system they have to build.

But yeah, so so so what we need to say to them today is that we'll do everything in the background to get the data available and to create product identifiers so that it's they can access the data easily and and we can link that with their track my down system, but they don't have part codes for anything.

Okay.

Every single order is bespoke, which is crazy. So it it it's mental.

So we need an AI system to uh get hold of these things. So AI system will automatically read everything and create unique things for each of the individual things.

Yeah, but at the end of the day, if if we focus on getting the data available and then further down the line, when we've got a clearer idea as to what their client requirements are, then we can look at where we go from there.

Okay. Okay. Is that okay with you?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's fine. Let's let's have the conversation and um talk about it. I think we need a couple of more more sittings to get uh to the root of this thing. Uh but initial discussion we can discuss. Um Yeah. Ultimately, it we need clarity on what they're trying to achieve and why, and then we can work backwards from there.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. All right, Ross. Thank you. Talk to you later. Thank you, bye.